All men are considered equal?

[fingertrouble]

I posted this early this morning but like the result it was a complete FAIL.

Basically the jubilation about Obama faded within an hour, because of Proposition 8 in CA and Prop 2 in Florida being passed. President Obama is against the proposition but wimps out in the usual 'civil union' like we have here. Better than being against I suppose . Sigh.

So call me the party pooper but it's obvious there is a long way to go before my friends in US get the same rights we have here, and become equal rathere than second class citizens because of who they love.

And the scary thing? Some of those who voted Yes must've also voted from Obama.

So as I said elsewhere, great step but when are you going to get an atheist president? True seperation of church and state would be a good start...rather than it being a campaigning platform. Then maybe we could all get past the mumbo jumbo and be truly free at last.

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Yeah....I don't see that ever happening.

[eskanto]

As a gay "African-"American, I remind you that our country was founded by your die-hard fundamentalist rejects. Separation of church and state may have been intended by the Founding Fathers, but it's always been kind of glossed over....

In any case, this is a major step for racial civil rights. To me, all civil rights struggles are related. Unfortunately, straight (often religious, even lapsed) Black Americans don't see it that way. Thus, as you pointed out, many Obama supporters must have voted against gay rights.

I live in Wisconsin, which state strongly supported Obama, unlike my home state of Missouri with a margin to close to call (even now...) but both states ban gay marriage/unions/etc, and support anti-gay legislation.

Unfortunately American gays will have to take what we can get as far as equal rights. Blacks didn't get full civil rights all at once, either. We will simply have to keep fighting for full equality for the future, while enjoying what freedoms we can achieve for today.

This is why I had decided to live abroad in the Anglophone world a long time ago. But Australia and England are way different from the US, and I don't think I could adjust. And Wisconsin is cold enough, so I'm rethinking Canada....

Re: Yeah....I don't see that ever happening.

[timbearcub.livejournal.com]

Yes it's sad they don't see it that way - I know for a fact that the Gay Liberation Front people like my partner and' his friend fought also for black civil rights - my partner did so in South Africa much to his personal and physical loss (like losing his teeth in a a SA police cell)...eventually having to leave in '72. They are linked, totally, and had to be - if the civil rights movement hadn't won over the white majority it wouldn't have succeeded, and we'd never have Obama at all.

I'm glad they all fought for this, and they would've even knowing this result, but it's not great payback for those who did fight.

'your die-hard fundamentalist rejects.' - yeh that's why we chucked them out, well made them leave. We couldn't stand them either. Sorry...;-)

Re: Yeah....I don't see that ever happening.

[eskanto]

*chuckle*
Apology acccepted. How can I stay mad at the land that brought us Mel Brooks, Hugh Laurie, and Doctor Who? Not to mention those sexy accents....