All men are considered equal?

[fingertrouble]

I posted this early this morning but like the result it was a complete FAIL.

Basically the jubilation about Obama faded within an hour, because of Proposition 8 in CA and Prop 2 in Florida being passed. President Obama is against the proposition but wimps out in the usual 'civil union' like we have here. Better than being against I suppose . Sigh.

So call me the party pooper but it's obvious there is a long way to go before my friends in US get the same rights we have here, and become equal rathere than second class citizens because of who they love.

And the scary thing? Some of those who voted Yes must've also voted from Obama.

So as I said elsewhere, great step but when are you going to get an atheist president? True seperation of church and state would be a good start...rather than it being a campaigning platform. Then maybe we could all get past the mumbo jumbo and be truly free at last.

Comments

[tga.livejournal.com]

I am still very happy Obama has won. It's a great step forward but what is truly needed is a leap. It's promising that Obama even mentioned gay people in his speech but from what I understand, government, no matter who well the intentions, can't change state legislation.

I think civil partnership will be the only way to go in the states now. There is too much stigma with the word "marriage" and if straight people want it so bad - let them keep it and they can keep their high divorce rates and cheap shotgun weddings.


However, it really sucks that they can't see what they are doing with such propositions and the lives they ruinn with it. In saying this though, if there is going to be a civil partnership in America, I do hope they do what they have done here and make the rights and laws of married people and civil partners are exactly the same. Give the church weddings to the straights - let me them waste their money and have the precious marriage - just give us the fucking rights! :-)

[timbearcub.livejournal.com]

True; although I'm still not totally sure about the 'seperate but equal' status in the UK - I'm glad it's there, and church wedding as you say isn't really important - but it's perceived as being somehow secondary. I prefer the Spain approach where there is absolutely no difference, it's marriage for both.

Any difference means that somehow it's seen as 'lesser', and the message goes out that we are somehow different - even if we have the same rights, it just seems a fudge.

But yeah, even that would be a step forward for our friends in the US. Grrr.

[tga.livejournal.com]

It's only seen as lesser if you chose to see it that way. From what I could tell, the reason it was called a civil partnership was a compromise to the religous freaks out there. Ultimately, it's the same thing in regards of law but at least people that are civil partnered don't have to pay out hefty fees for divorce. In a way, we have it better. Maybe you should look out it more positively!